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Info-Mac Digest Sat, 6 Feb 93 Volume 11 : Issue 30
Today's Topics:
[*] Alias Director 3.3.2
[*] AppMaker 1.5 Demo
[*] BBEdit 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Updater
[*] ClockAdjust
[*] Color Model Clock 1.1.sit.hqx
[*] Comp.Sys.Mac.Programmer Digest Volume 2 #1-9
[*] Conc171.sea.hqx
[*] Dali1.0.sit.hqx
[*] dayOfWeek & Month XFCN
[*] Font Control 1.1 submission
[*] Greg's Buttons 2.4 Control Panel
[*] HPopupMenu 3.0.2
[*] Installer Spy 0.40
[*] Lisp for the Macintosh (A)
[*] MacLex21.sea.hqx
[*] NuVista+ Software Update (12/18/92)
[*] RAMDiskSaver.hqx
[*] RSI Network Newsletters 1 through 10
[*] Spinning Cursor Library (code)
[*] TRACON II Pittsburgh Sector
"Rooter DA"
(A) Vax/VMS help
American Heritage Dictionaries (A)
American Heritage Dictionary (2 msgs)
Apple's VM---why do people say it's bad?
Arabic fonts
autosync monitors
Bug Fix for System 7.1 Enablers Available
Canon CLC-10 Scanner/Printer
CD ROM Weirdness (Ah knock it off!)
Clintonpz@aol.com
Cords With A Charge
Crippled 68LC040 machines (2 msgs)
Crippled 68LC040 machines (c)
Diskdoubler and 7.1 conflict?? (A)
Es tut mir leide!
HP DW grey-scale Thanks! (c)
Insight Accounting
Is LC040 a Failed 040?
Jasmine DirectDrive 45 (A)
Jasmine Drives (A)
jasmine reformatting- silv
Mac II misformats floppies (so obvious when you know why)
Mathimatica [12 x 12]~(-1)
Matrix inversion in Mathematica
Missing PICT scan
Music software
Now Menus & BeHierarchic (to Marc and others)
Price for used original Classic
retrieval-lite and asychronous sound wanted
Scanner Opinion
sending files in mail on vmx (Q)
Slide Scanning, Cheap (A)
StyleWriter II & Portable
TeachText Editor
Why not just buy it rather than write a thesis.
Why you need an FPU
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 17:59:46 -0500
From: Brian Hayes - Sigma Xi <hayes@concert.net>
Subject: [*] Alias Director 3.3.2
deposited a copy of Alias Director 3.3.2, a bug-fix release
that supersedes 3.3.1. If you should need to get in touch
with Mr. Harris, his e-mail address is 76150.1027@CompuServe.COM.
Brian Hayes.
[Archived as /info-mac/util/alias-director-332.hqx; 60K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 19:26:15 -0800
From: Noah Price <noah@apple.com>
Subject: [*] AppMaker 1.5 Demo
AppMaker 1.5 DEMO
by Bowers Development
Requires Mac Plus or later, System 6.0 or later
This is a demo version of AppMaker, a human interface generator.
(Also included is "AppMaker/Prototyper," an analysis by Bowers of the
features and differences between AppMaker and Prototyper. This and the
AppMaker documentation is in Glue format. AppleLink, Glue Viewer, or
Super Glue are required to read it.)
Excerpts from the ReadMe file:
AppMaker is an application for generating the user interface, and the
source code behind it, for a new or existing Macintosh application.
AppMaker saves development time and cuts drudgery by letting you create
menus, windows, dialogs, and alerts just by clicking and dragging to
arrange what you want on the screen. With one command, AppMaker
automatically generates the source code for the user interface you've
designed, for selected modules, or for the entire application. You can
choose either C or Pascal, for MPW or THINK language systems. In
addition to traditional programming languages, AppMaker supports
object-oriented programming using the THINK Class Library in either C
or Pascal, as well as MacApp 2.0 using C++ or Pascal and MacApp 3.0
using C++.
All of these demo files can be copied and used by you or others to
evaluate the AppMaker application.
For more information about AppMaker, contact Bowers Development Corp.
at the address listed below. AppMaker's suggested retail price is
$299; it comes with a 60-day money-back guarantee and free technical
support. To compile and link AppMaker-generated source code, you must
also have an MPW or THINK language system and enough memory and disk
space to meet the requirements of the language system.
Bowers Development Corp.
AppleLink: D1721
CompuServe: 70731,3710
America Online:Industry Connection forum keyword: BOWERS
[Archived as /info-mac/demo/app-maker-15.hqx; 511K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 22:17:20 -0500
From: siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel)
Subject: [*] BBEdit 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Updater
The updater application in this distribution will change your copy of BBEdit
version 2.2 into version 2.2.1. The newer version of BBEdit fixes a number of
bugs in the original 2.2 release; the bug fixes are described in the file
called "2.2.1 Update Notes", also supplied in this distribution.
Note: This updater is for users who have -not- downloaded the entire 2.2.1
distribution package (because of size or transfer time considerations).
If you do not have BBEdit 2.2, then do not download this updater.
Archive maintainers: This updater does -not- replace the version 2.2.1 that
you already have in your archives. Furthermore, if you already have the
(outdated) version 2.2 in your archives, you should replace it with
the entire 2.2.1 distribution -and- the 2.2.1 updater.
R.
[Archived as /info-mac/app/bbedit-22-to-221-updater.hqx; 157K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:55:35 +0000
From: Graham Allsopp <G.Allsopp@Sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: [*] ClockAdjust
In conversation with Steve Christensen of SuperClock! fame, I became aware
that ClockAdjust doesn't seem to be widely available in the New World - so
here it is!
I know it's dated 1989 and is version 1.0, but it still runs quite happily
under System 7.0.1 - perhaps Gunther got it right first time.
I have no connection with Gunther Blaschek other than a very satisfied user
- so please don't E-Mail me with any problems! If anyone knows Gunther's
current whereabouts, I would be grateful if you would let me know.
Graham
ClockAdjust
Version 1.0, 1989 by Gunther Blaschek
ClockAdjust is an INIT/cdev for adjusting the Macintosh's hardware clock.
It serves for two purposes:
It keeps track of manual corrections of the clock (thus monitoring an
adjustment factor) and adjusts the clock automatically when a certain time
has elapsed.
It allows to specify rules for switching to daylight saving time and back
to regular time and automatically corrects the clock according to these
rules.
All corrections are done whenever the Macintosh is rebooted (only if
necessary, of course). This means that neither memory nor time is needed
during normal operation.
Automatic Clock Correction
The Macintosh's clock chip is not very accurate. I have observed deviations
of one second within 15 hours (which accumulates to more than one minute in
a month). One thing you can do in such a case is to correct the clock, say,
every month. You would then realize that you would adjust the clock by the
same time difference every month. When you have ClockAdjust installed, you
correct the clock once and the forget about it. ClockAdjust will do the
rest for you.
Daylight Saving Time
The lower portion of the ClockAdjust panel controls the dates when daylight
saving time is automatically switched on and off.
[Archived as /info-mac/cp/clock-adjust.hqx; 21K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 11:34:14 EST
From: J Eric Bush <jbush@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: [*] Color Model Clock 1.1.sit.hqx
Color Model Clock is a desktop clock that is designed to run in
the background while you are working in other applications. It
tells the date, time, and allows you to set alarms. The program
allows you to choose between 20 pictures in two sizes to display
with the clock. The pictures are of super model Cindy Crawford.
This program requires System 6.0.4 or later and Color QuickDraw.
The program is Shareware $10.00
[Archived as /info-mac/util/color-model-clock-11.hqx; 772K]
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 18:15:10 -0800
From: "(Michael A. Kelly)" <mkelly@mystix.cs.uoregon.edu>
Subject: [*] Comp.Sys.Mac.Programmer Digest Volume 2 #1-9
Issues #1 through #9 of Volume 2 of the Comp.Sys.Mac.Programmer Digest are
now available.
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-index.txt; 2K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-001.txt; 43K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-002.txt; 43K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-003.txt; 59K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-004.txt; 34K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-005.txt; 43K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-006.txt; 44K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-007.txt; 55K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-008.txt; 39K]
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/csmp/csmp-v2-009.txt; 38K]
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Date: 05 Feb 1993 15:40:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Evan L. Antworth 214/709-2418" <ANTWORTH@am.dallas.sil.org>
Subject: [*] Conc171.sea.hqx
This is version 1.71 of Conc, a concordance generating program written
by John Thomson of the Summer Institute of Linguistics. This should
replace version 1.70 on all network archives. Differences include a few
bug fixes and a couple modest enhancements.
Evan Antworth
Summer Institute of Linguistics
7500 W. Camp Wisdom Road
Dallas, TX 75236
U.S.A.
tel 214-709-2418
fax 214-709-2433
e-mail antworth@am.dallas.sil.org, evan@sil.org
[Archived as /info-mac/app/concordance-171.hqx; 396K]
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 01:53:31 -0500
From: rongut@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: [*] Dali1.0.sit.hqx
Dear Archivists:
Enclosed please find Dali, a clock program with a round face and some
unusual features. This clock is inteded for multifinder and system 7
users, as it uses very little of the CPU's time while in the background.
Besides having a round face, this clock lets the user set the window
size and location, the font type and size, as well as what is printed on
the clock's face. One can have a clock with the numbers from 1 to 12, or
no numbers, or some of them, or just text.
This program, though not in the public domain, is free. Please see the
"readme" file for more info.
Also, special thanks to Roberto Avanzi for the WDEF used in this
program.
Share and Enjoy!
Ron Gut
rongut@abp.lcs.mit.edu
[Archived as /info-mac/util/dali-10.hqx; 33K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 22:30:37 -0500
From: yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome 'TofuSoft' Chan)
Subject: [*] dayOfWeek & Month XFCN
These two XFCNs return the localised text strings of the full/long
dayOfWeek and month respectively. I wrote these because I had trouble
parsing the long date into the month and dayOfweek respectively :P (Call me
stupid duh!). I could not depend on the word order format of the long date
since it is now configurable. I hope somebody has a use for these darn
things besides myself. :)
Does anyone know how I deal with the long month(), abrev month() or short
month() in a XFCN? Pointers and source code will be appreciated.
Think C 5.0 Source included. FreeWare I guess (How can anyone copyright 6
lines of code?)
Email: yjc@po.cwru.edu or Fading@aol.com.
The Evil Tofu
[Archived as /info-mac/card/x/date-utils.hqx; 34K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 13:36:55 +0100
From: labstp34@di.unito.it (lab stp - Fabrizio Oddone - 181292 )
Subject: [*] Font Control 1.1 submission
Font Control is a function key (FKEY). An FKEY is a little
program you can start up by pressing a Command-Shift-number
combination on your keyboard.
You really need this FKEY if you own a Imagewriter or a
StyleWriter, and would like to decently print texts.
The Apple drivers for these printers do not include a
"Fractional Widths" option, so the printed text is misaligned.
This new improved version lets you use TrueType typefaces even
if the corresponding bitmap fonts are available.
Moreover, you can avoid that ugly distortion (shrinking)
of characters (glyphs, to be more correct)
extending beyond the ascent and/or the descent line, such as
caps characters with accents, tildes, etc.
Read the enclosed note for a complete explanation about the
"Fractional Widths, Font Scaling & Preserve Glyphs" story.
For errors, suggestions, and others send mail to:
Fabrizio.Oddone%bbs@osra.sublink.org
Enjoy yourself and remember the shareware fee!
Fabrizio Oddone
[Archived as /info-mac/fkey/font-control-11.hqx; 8K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 21:22 GMT
From: gdl1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Landweber)
Subject: [*] Greg's Buttons 2.4 Control Panel
Greg's Buttons v2.4 (Shareware: $15)
by Gregory D. Landweber, 5 February 1993
Internet e-mail: gdl1000@cus.cam.ac.uk
This is a release version intended for public distribution.
WHAT'S NEW?
* Greg's Buttons can now colorize the mini icons (the smallest size
you can select in the "Views" control panel) in Finder list views.
* I added an option to draw pushbutton text in an "embossed" style.
* Greg's Buttons will now save its settings in a preferences file.
* The real-check checkboxes and white-dot radio buttons now have
color tinges. (Also, people who design their own CICNs with ResEdit
can specify which pixels to tinge.)
* I have disabled the dialog colorization feature when Word, Canvas,
Disk First Aid, or Help! are running. This will fix the conflicts.
(You can also specify other applications to exclude using ResEdit.)
* The default dialog box color is a slightly darker shade of gray
than in previous versions. As a result, the text-insertion cursor
in dialogs will be drawn in a dark blue instead of a light yellow.
* I have fixed several other various bugs and problems, including
the conflict with Lloyd Lim's "Default CDEF" (for real this time).
* Version 2.3 fixed the conflict with SuperClock that caused the
control panel to crash when you clicked in one of the color wells.
WHAT'S OLD?
Greg's Buttons is a control panel that enhances the System 7 user
interface on a color Macintosh. It provides tasteful 3-d shaded
buttons to match the windows and scroll bars, using the tints you
select in the "Color" control panel. You can also customize the
look of your check boxes and radio buttons, choosing from several
different designs. Greg's Buttons also lets you change the system
font to one of three variants of Helvetica, and it lets you select
the background colors for your menus, dialog boxes, and Finder
windows. I have thrown in color alert icons, too.
"They don't look like buttons unless they're Greg's Buttons."
[Archived as /info-mac/cp/gregs-buttons-24.hqx; 43K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 23:53:05 -0800
From: Jon Pugh <jpugh@apple.com>
Subject: [*] HPopupMenu 3.0.2
Well, hopefully the end of updates is in sight. Thus is the way it works
when you add features in a bar with no documentation. This update fixes
another bug, this time in the resource list part. In addition, I took the
opportunity to add a little feature and clean up the code in places.
The feature is that where I used to use commas I now use the itemDelimiter
property so that you can use the comma in menuItems if you are inclined.
I alo realized that I can duplicate the Apple Menu in a popup with my
resource list option except that I had to strip the nulls from the DA names.
So this version does that too.
I'll also send a free update to anyone who can find a bug. I don't think
there are anymore here. Check it out.
Jon
This should replace card/x/hpopup-menu-301.hqx
[Archived as /info-mac/card/x/hpopup-menu-302.hqx; 60K]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 15:24:20 PST
From: Dave Leiner <leiner@leiner.mtv.gsc.gte.com>
Subject: [*] Installer Spy 0.40
InstallerSpy is an application which allows you to browse scripts written
for use with Apple's Installer utility. Scripts designed for versions 3.1
through 3.4 of the Installer are currently supported. InstallerSpy is a
read-only browser. You cannot modify scripts with this utility.
[Archived as /info-mac/util/installer-spy-0.40.hqx; 207K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 10:57:44 -0500
From: straz@cambridge.apple.com (Steve Strassmann)
Subject: [*] Lisp for the Macintosh (A)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 08:11:38 GMT
From: Enrique Navarro Sanchis <navarro@pereiii.uji.es>
Subject: Lisp for the Macintosh ?
Hello:
Can someone say me if there is free Lisp-interpreter (Common or similar)
that runs in a Macintosh ?
Please e-mail the answer to navarro@si.uji.es
Thanks in advance.
The purpose of this document is to answer the question: "Where can I
get a Lisp [compiler/interpreter] for the Macintosh?"
[** Note to info-mac moderators: The rest of this message should probably
** be archived as /info-mac/report/where-to-get-lisp.txt]
There's a lot to choose from. You might enjoy exploring Scheme, a dialect of
Lisp popular in academia for its tiny size and expressive elegance.
Common Lisp is the industrial strength lisp just brimming over with features.
Among the freeware Lisps, for beginners I'd recommend Gambit, since it
now comes with online help and is a rather decent environment. Serious hackers
shouldn't overlook SIOD, a complete Scheme that fits in under 60K!
For commercial development, you owe it to yourself to check out
Macintosh Common Lisp (from Apple) and MacScheme (from Lightship).
[Archived as /info-mac/report/lisp-for-the-mac.txt; 14K]
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Date: 05 Feb 1993 17:07:22 -0600 (CST)
From: "Evan L. Antworth 214/709-2418" <ANTWORTH@am.dallas.sil.org>
Subject: [*] MacLex21.sea.hqx
MacLex is a program for field linguists that manages lexicon/dictionary
files of a specified format. It supports editing, find/change, user-
defined sorting order, and reversals. It is written and supported by
Bruce Waters of SIL (Summer Institute of Linguistics).
Evan Antworth
Academic Computing Department
Summer Institute of Linguistics
7500 W. Camp Wisdom Road
Dallas, TX 75236
U.S.A.
e-mail: antworth@am.dallas.sil.org, evan@sil.org
phone: 214/709-2418
fax: 214/709-2433
[Archived as /info-mac/app/mac-lex.hqx; 493K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 14:12:43 EST
From: tomr@truevision.com (Tom Ransom)
Subject: [*] NuVista+ Software Update (12/18/92)
This file contains the latest (12/18/92) drivers for the Truevision NuVista+
Videographics card. Included in the file are:
Control Panels
CloseUp
Blender
MasterKeys
ChromaKey
Vidi/o
Drivers
NuVista+ Drivers
SetUp Application
[Archived as /info-mac/util/nuvista-plus-video-drivers.hqx; 399K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 23:31:21 -0500
From: "Robin J. Lunge" <rjl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: [*] RAMDiskSaver.hqx
I have uploaded RAMDiskSaver.cpt, which is a tiny utility that does
automatic periodic background backups of a RAM disk onto something less
volatile (like a hard disk). It ought to be just the ticket for PowerBook
users who want to extend their battery life (by leaving the hard disk spun
down most of the time) but who need some protection from system crashes, as
well as an easy way to shut down and restore a RAM-disk-based system.
The actual components (a System 7 background application and a control
panel) together occupy less than 24 K of disk space and 40 K of RAM, but the
.cpt archive is a tad large (113 K) because it includes the SuperGlue Viewer
application for reading the documentation.
This one is share-ware ($20 US) but well worth it if you use a RAM disk.
[Archived as /info-mac/cp/ram-disk-saver.hqx; 155K]
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:25:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Craig O'Donnell <dadadata@world.std.com>
Subject: [*] RSI Network Newsletters 1 through 10
This self-extracting archive contains all issues of The RSI Newsletter to
date. The stuffed folder is ready to use with Easy View.
Easy View index is included. Others may open this with any text editor.
--- COD
*Note: this archive will be updated quarterly. The filename will remain
the same.
[Archived as /info-mac/digest/rsi-network-news.hqx; 163K]
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 13:49:55 EST
From: casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe)
Subject: [*] Spinning Cursor Library (code)
This posting contains a library file that allows any
program (C, Pascal, Fortran) to install an asynchronous
(task-independent) spinning cursor.
It is blatantly copied from the book "Macintosh Programming
Secrets, 2nd Edition", and distributed with the author's
consent. All I did (!) is type the code. I can also tell you
that it works fine ;-).
Instructions, source code (Think C) and sample code (Pascal
and C) are included. If you have questions, feel free to ask!
Philippe Casgrain
Casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA
P.S. This is postcard-ware: it is not my intellectual property,
but if I stick the disk on my fridge, my kids don't see the
point... :-)
[Archived as /info-mac/source/c/spinning-cursor.hqx; 22K]
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Date: Friday, 5 Feb 1993 23:30:44 EST
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [*] TRACON II Pittsburgh Sector
Pittsburgh Sector
Version 1.0
For TRACON II Mac
c 1993 By Jeffrey Fritz
TRACON (Terminal Radar Approach CONtrol) is a simulation from Wesson
International. TRACON simulates the pressures and panics that the
nation's air traffic controllers undergo as part of their every day work.
The TRACON folks are responsible for guiding private and commercial
aircraft departures and approaches. They also control low level (up to
12,000 foot over-flights). This is a serious and busy business. TRACON
II comes with six sectors for Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle,
Chicago, Miami and Boston. As if that wasn't enough, I created a sector
for the Pittsburgh area.
Installation and Getting Started
This sector is designed to be used with TRACON II (version 2.0.3). It
may work with earlier versions and, then again, it may not. If you
already own TRACON II, simply place the PIT.SEC and PIT.SND sectors in
the Support Files folder. Start TRACON II and select New Scenario from
the File Menu. Then select the pit sector and click on Begin. The
Pittsburgh sector will come up on the radar screen.
If you don't own TRACON, these files won't help you much. Order TRACON
II Mac from Wesson International {(512) 328-0100}. You won't regret it.
While you're in the neighborhood, tell Wesson how much you want new Mac
simulations. They are primarily a PC developer and need to better
appreciate the importance of the Macintosh market.
Please see the read me file for more information on the TRACON II
Pittsburgh sector.
This sector was created for my enjoyment. It took me many hard hours and
much sweat to get right (well, nearly right). The good news is that the
TRACON Pittsburgh sector is yours for free.
I hope you enjoy the Pittsburgh sector as much as I do. You can post
this wherever you like. I only ask that you distribute the files with
the read me file.
Of course, I do not assume any responsibility for accuracy (as if you
couldn't tell) or anything else for that matter. Happy controlling!
[Archived as /info-mac/game/tracon-ii-10.hqx; 121K]
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Date: 5 Feb 93 02:09:35 EST
From: Soma.M.Mowry@Dartmouth.EDU (Soma M. Mowry)
Subject: "Rooter DA"
05 Feb '92, 2:10 a.m.
Dear Info-Mac folks one and all----
I am forwarding to you folks, between *****====='s, the partial text of
an earlier e-mail communication to Mark Zimmerman, at Mark's suggestion. If
such a doodad as I describe is available, please let me know how to locate
it; feel free to redistribute this text, world-around or locally.
Thanks in advance!
(You may respond to the attached and
"borrowed" but current electronic address for "Soma".)
*****=====
Suggestion/Question:
I am a language nut of sorts (Chinese, Hindi, Urdu, Russian, some
Korean, etc).
I would like to locate a doodad
(a System 6.0.5-and-up-compatible DA, or an Application----as small as
possible, BUT as large as necessary...)
for searching and manipulating [plain or/and formatted] connected-TEXT and/or
word-lists on the Macintosh (wired if necessary to a hefty Hard Drive, not to
floppies alone) using, for example, WriteNow v2.2 or v3 [my personal choice];
or using X-Cat (Public Domain cataloging tool, excellent!!); or using
MacWrite 5.01; Nisus; Word 4/5; MacWrite II, etc.)
[in any font, of course, such as the
Russian Cyrillic or the Japanese
Hiragana/Katakana syllabary, since
the Mac doesn't give a hoot...],
into which doodad I could type, e.g.,
*EITHER <m*r*>----for a non-syllabic,
consonant/and-or/vowel-in-a-fixed-order search----and which would then find
"maritime, marine, marinate, mariner" etc. [as well as, here, "morning,
mortician, moribund" et al]
*OR, if searching by syllable, <toh*kyoh*> to find "Tokyo, Tokyoites"
but not Kyoto UNLESS I SPECIFIED "search complete text for any word with all
items NOT in-a-fixed-order" (as for Korean or the previous Japanese, where
"toh-kyoh" means "East[ern]-Capital" but "kyoh-toh" means "Capital-[of
the]-East".
This "rooter" doodad would be useful for, say, locating ALL the words
associated with any word's root-letters-in-a-fixed-order (here previously,
m-r) in approximately any alphabetic language such as Arabic/Urdu (where
<k*t*b> would find Urdu "kitab" = "book"; "kutub" = "books"; "katibah" = "[a]
scribe", "maktabah" = "publisher" and so on), Russian, English, et al
[skipping Chinese ideographs for the time being, until Apple Computer gets
its "Chung-wen Talk" down pat {patter?}].
This "rooter" doodad should first be able
1) to scan a very long [book-length? unlimited length? formatted?] TEXT
(treating "numerals/all-keys" no differently than a-b-c's, so that, say,
TONE-numbers for Chinese could be considered as part of the word, as for the
city "Bei3jing1"...), and thereafter...
2) to create a new list of those words unique to that text (by default,
eliminating exact duplicates--useful for building
foreign-language-learner-text-indexes to ALL words in the book--and letting
the user turn [his/her choice of] "stop words" on/of, before or/and during
processing??), and thereafter...
3) to alphabetize that list
*ACCORDING TO A PREFERENCES-FILE-SET determining "any alphabetical
order", where the order for, say, the Chinese "Pinyin" romanization does not
correspond with that of English, or where the order for Russian might be
Roman-keyboarded letters "a, b, v, g, d, e, e2, zh, z, i, i2, k, l, m..." and
so on. Then...
4) It should be able to produce a
*REVERSE-listing, so that for Japanese romanizations, Chinese Pinyin
romanization, or English, et al, the result of, say reverse-listing "ape,
apes, aping, zap, zaps, Zapa, zapping" would be----in reverse alphabetical
order----something like "apaZ, epa, gnipa, gnippaz, paz, sepa, spaz" , and so
on: thus, words with the same SUFFIX could be "alphabetizable" together, as
are "gnipa" and "gnippaz" preceding.
Then, if only this "rooter" doodad were able...
5) to do the preceding not only for SUFFIX searching but also for INFIX
("middle-of-the-word-fix") searching (the doodad's normal "alphabetizing"
should do the PREFIX searching); again, INFIX searching/alphabetizing would
work fine on such as the previous Urdu "maktabah" where one might find the
word with "k*t*b" by a normal search, then
*reverse-INFIX-alphabetize so that all INFIX-ed "k*t*b" would be shown
as "b*t*k" to yield "haBaTKam" along with any other words which might have
"b*t*k" anywhere in the middle of the word, but have something other than "m"
as the initial letter (or "h" as the final letter) ...
that would be great!!!
Some of you are probably in a much better position to imagine what form
and abilities such a tool should have. It might work along the lines of Mark
Zimmerman's "FreeText" stack, or perhaps (ideally??) work as a DA, or as an
application requiring MultiFinder. The doodad should FIRST run under System
6.0.5 and up, and only THEREAFTER give thought to running under any System
Seven setup....
(( As you can see, I am not yet a fan of System 7.?.x, because what I have
seen of it is, for my purposes, less than inspiring, and what I have heard of
it is disappointing, and the "new" features it offers I would not find useful
in my foreseeable future; I'm running 6.0.5 (good for Chinese) and 6.0.8, and
have [or have at my disposal] a Mac IIcx 5/80, an SE with 2 floppy drives; a
converted 40 Meg Apple-Sony [now Quantum due to "stiction" problem with
Sony]; a 330 Meg Micr$BDpolis; and a 1.5 Gig Micr$BDpolis, so there is no
longer any storage problem for me. ))
=================
If any of you know of such a doodad and it is convenient to do so,
please let me know its name/location (or send it along to this E-mail address
at Dartmouth); Dartmouth's PublicDomain-er can probably lay hands on it.
If there is no such "rooter" doodad (especially for creating
reverse-dictionaried-listings), then maybe somebody can create such a
stack/DA/application (HINT HINT...) on her/his lunch hour!! (Kidding,
kidding....)
SIGNED...
Loyd Mowry
(My wife is Hua-yuan Li Mowry, Professor of Chinese at Dartmouth College,
Hanover, New Hampshire, and chief creator of the "Hanzi Assistant" stack, a
tool for attacking the first 3,000 or so Chinese written characters. My
"borrowed" electronic address should come affixed to this document.
Our home address is:
==============
Loyd & Hua-yuan Mowry
(Phone: 603/448-2460 with Answering Machine 24 hours)
H.C. #64, Box 15
Meriden Road
Lebanon, NH 03766-7701
==============)
Again, thanks and take care!!
Loyd Mowry, Jr.
*****=====
End.
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 17:19:42 -0500
From: Kent Anthony Behrends <wk01802@worldlink.com>
Subject: (A) Vax/VMS help
><IANNELLI%UTSW.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> writes:
>I have two programs, mcvert and xbin-to-binary.shar, and I'm having some
>trouble with them. I was able to 'unshar' them and ended up with files
>with a '.c' ending and thought that I just had to enter the command
>'cc mcvert.c' at the '$' prompt on my VAX, but it doesn't work. Any ideas?
To compile, link and run a 'c' program under VMS:
(1) cc filename.c
(2) link filename.obj
(3) run filename.exe
In the case above the filename extentions (.c, .obj, & .exe) are not
required, but shown for reference. Also note, you may need to link
in the VAX C run time library (add ',sys$library:vaxcrtl/lib' to the
'link' command above [2]).
>Also, do programs that are designed for UNIX work on a VAX if they are
>compiledon the VAX.
On an VAX running *UNIX* yes, running VMS not always.
>And lastly, what is the purpose of the 'MakeFile' files that are included
>with the above programs.
A 'MakeFile' describes how to build the program from source to executable.
There is a DECUS utility called 'MAKE' that takes a Makefile and creates
a program. Also, the VMS utility MMS can be used after some editing of the
*UNIX* Makefile.
/* ---Kent-(- Behrends | DECUS Macintosh Working Group Chair *
* BEHR Consulting | DCS: BEHRENDS AOL: Kent at BC *
* 909.393.1505 | Internet: wk01802@worldlink.com */
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 11:07:08 -0500
From: "Bruce P. Halpern" <halp@TC.Cornell.EDU>
Subject: American Heritage Dictionaries (A)
The American Heritage Dictionary College/Professional Edition is fairly nice
and works well. However, you need a lot of space. It occupies 11MB of
disk space after installation, and requires 16 MB of disk space to permit
installation. Since it must be placed in the
System folder, you must either have a large boot disk or keep most other
applications on another disk. It is distributed on 12 HD Floppys.
It costs about $50. There is a smaller, less detailed (fewer words, few
abbreviations or biographical or geographical entries, NOT 32-bit clean)
version called The American Heritage Dictionary. I found its definitions
to not always be satisfactory, and to not have as many words as I needed
(the bigger College/Professional Edition has ~303,000 words), but it was
nonetheless useful.
------------------------------
Date: Friday, 5 Feb 1993 23:09:38 EST
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: American Heritage Dictionary
> Has anyone used the American Heritage Dictionary for the Mac? The
advertising
> I received on it made it sound really useful (don't they all, though?), but
> I'd like to hear from someone who has actually tried it out.
I bought AHED (American Heritage Dictionary) to use with my writing. It
was some time ago. It took up a lot of space and had to be placed in
the System Folder (a real pain). I didn't get that much use out of it
and it wasn't System 7.0 compatible, so when I went to 7.0, I took it off.
A month ago I updated AHED to the System 7.0 version (it was a
reasonable cost) and reinstalled AHED. It still insists in sitting
in my System Folder on the boot partition (where free space is a
a great premium). The dictionary files take up 2.8 MBs!
It's a nice dictionary companion, but I am still not convinced that it's
all that helpful. It has a thesaurus, but I prefer using Big Thesarus
>From Denuba (which also takes plenty of room, but doesn't have to be
in the system folder). So I guess the jury is still out.
Jeffrey Fritz, jfritz@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
West Virginia University
------------------------------
Date: 06 Feb 1993 14:39:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAVRIDES%BARRYU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: American Heritage Dictionary
A list member writes:
Has anyone used the American Heritage Dictionary for the Mac? The advertising
I received on it made it sound really useful (don't they all, though?), but
I'd like to hear from someone who has actually tried it out. Thanks for the
help.
Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
swaechter@utmem2.utmem.edu (internet)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well Steve, I've been using the AHED (American Heritage Electronic Dictionary)
now for about 8 months or so. Simply stated, I like it and use it. It's not
going to replace your hardcopy of Webster's Ninth Collegiate, but it is very
useful for looking up the spelling of words when using applications that don't
support a spell-checker. It is also great as a tool for looking up synonyms
and antonyms on the fly. I use it alot when I'm writing messages on-line
and am not sure of a spelling or if I just want to double check the precise
meaning of a word (I know that spelling doesn't count on the net, but I like
to safeguard a little against appearing totally illiterate-(big smile)). I
really haven't used the anagram feature much, but it works-mostly. I don't
think it gives you an exhaustive list of ALL the words in it's dictionary; it
seems to stop at a certain, undetermined point. Maybe it's limited by memory,
I don't know. I"ve used the searchtext feature a couple of times, maybe, when
I have had a word on the tip of my tongue but just couldn't remember it. That
was rewarding.
AHED installs as a desk accessory and as such, all the data files must be
stored in your system folder. You will need more than 3 megabytes of
additional
disk space on your system volume. This posed a bit of a hassle for me,
because
when I initially set partition sizes on my 210 mb drive, I only set aside 10
mb
for my system volume (I thought at the time that this would be ample). So I
had to do a lot of trimming and moving around to accommodate the files. Other
than that, I like AHED and would recommend it. Hope this was helpful.
Greg
Mavrides@BarryU
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 08:18:31 GMT
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Apple's VM---why do people say it's bad?
Jon W{tte asked about when an async SCSI manager will be released from Apple.
As we all know the new SCSI manager (supporting disconection from bus and
other goodies) is 3.5 years overdue. The original programmers quit and
moved on a couple times. (I guess Apple cannot hold talented people).
The "New" SCSI manager is called "SCSI Manager 4.3" and documentation on
it WILL NOT be included in the new Adisson Wesley "Devices and Drivers"
New IM book. Aaaaarrrggghhh!!!!!!!. A massive text document on SCSI
Manager 4.3 is floating around on AppleLink.
SCSI Manager 4.3 is a complete and beautiful rewrite of the SCSI manager
offering many features and only has three shitty features...
shitty feature #1 : Its CAM deviates from the "real" SCSI CAM in a few
ways that affect SCSI card creators (but not programmers too much)
shitty feature #2 : It uses a kludge/hack to allow the driver writer to
write dual purpose (old-new) drivers that can be boot disk drivers. It
does this by redefining the "pmPartName" field of the partition map entry
containing the SCSI driver to a newer longer name that just magically
happens to not affect how most Macs work now. Other fields could have been
used, but Apple did not give a damn about purity and cleanliness.
shitty feature #3 : TIBs are being phased out!!! (soon anyways) and this
means that a tibm that extracts strams of various pieces of data with tiny
timing loop delayts and intemixing of deviating proportions of I/O data
across multiple SCSI busses simultaneously (Quadras) is seriously hampered
now. For small chunks of data the overhead for the new one is not too bad
but if you need to transfer 10 megabytes of data using SM 4.3 you may end
up puking in a bucket if it requires you to make a large queue containing
references to all your requests for data.
shitty feature #4 : Although it is already burned into the new Mac ROMS to
be shipped in the two Macs from Apple containing DSP chips, and is
working, the new SCSI manager ONLY SUPPORTS THE EXACT TYPE OF SCSI CHIPS
FOUND IN THE NEWER MACINTOSHES. It is all in assembly and requires
MASSSIVE rewriting to support the MacIIfx the way the MacIIfx was supposed
to be when it was released (twice as fast as it is now, WITH DMA also).
Only a class action lawsuit of MacIIfx owners vs. Apple Computer could
force Apple to hire a few more assembly gurus (of the same caliber as the
current SCSI guys the whipped up SM 4.3). If a hacker wanted to write a
third party product creating a CAM to the MacIIfx to allow the new SM 4.3
to work AGAINST APPLES IMMEDIATE MARKETING PLANS, they will fail. They
will fail because the new SM 4.3 will probably not be available from apple
in the form of an INIT or other type of resource.
.... Oh well, in summary, The new SCSI manager 4.3 is very good, but it is
criminally late and has a few minor deficiencies of the types listed here.
-- Bill williams
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 20:31:59 -0600
From: Kathy A Graff <kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Arabic fonts
A graduate student in our department is looking for an Arabic font that
he can use on his Mac Classic with a StyleWriter printer. I thought I
saw one in an archive site a while ago, but cannot locate it now. Please
reply here or by email if you have any hints.
Kathy Graff
kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
------------------------------
Date: SAT, FEB 06 1993 14:53:06
From: Jerome Virzi <JVIRZI%BROCK1P.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: autosync monitors
I would like to purchace an autosync 14" monitor for an LC. I am considering
the following monitors. It seemes impossible to pick one without having them
displayed one next to the other. It has been difficult enough to find a shop
with one autosync running, let alone several. If you have used any of these
monitors, I'd appreciate hearing how they performed for you. Suggestions about
other monitors would be appreciated also.
Magnavox Mac Display Pro 9LMO8O
Orion MacScan Ultra (MacLand)
Victor 240 (Computer City)
CTX 1461
Thanks for the help.
Jerry Virzi
JVIRZI@BROCK1P.BITNET
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 07:17:19 GMT
From: jabba@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Rich Graves)
Subject: Bug Fix for System 7.1 Enablers Available
Rich Graves writes, following up to his own article, the following:
The READ ME included in the patch distribution tells us the following:
Q: If I don't run Connectix software, should I installthe "Enabler Patch"?
A: Even if you do not run our software, it may be a good idea to throw it in.
The bug is in the system software and may affect other software from other
vendors.
Q: What does the bug do?
A: If you are running System 7.1 and your machine requires a System enabler
file, software making the system call "GetIndResource" with an index out of
bounds will cause two low memory globals to be set incorrectly. This
potentially can cause a crash of your system at some later point when some
software is run and could modify the enabler file.
So I'd say if you've got a Powerbook > 145 or a IIvx, you should definitely
grab it.
--
|Rich Graves, Stanfd Res Affairs Mac Tech, and a Has-Been Senior, Poli Sci|
|jabba@deathstar.stanford.edu 319 Slavianskii Dom (415) 497-4948|
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 93 11:04:26 CST
From: "bq Mackintosh" <UC489745%MIZZOU1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Canon CLC-10 Scanner/Printer
Someone recently posted a request for advice on the CLC-10. I attempted to
respond directly, but the mail was returned with an "unknown user" tag.
If the person in question could reply directly to me, i might have some
useful information.
bq Mackintosh
UC489745@Mizzou1.Missouri.Edu
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 20:37:12 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM%VTVM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: CD ROM Weirdness (Ah knock it off!)
Folks, I am moved to write on the "CD-ROM can't eject" matter. Mostly
because I've read so much hinkeldreck (excellent Pennsylvania Dutch
expression) on the subject these past few days. I dunno how to tell y'all
this, but I have file sharing on under 7.1 all the time, and I can load
and eject CD-ROMs at will.
A year or so back, I reported on a multi-way interaction that led to a
bunch of problems with my CD-ROM drive. The worst was an offer to format
every CD-ROM that was inserted, and the least was inability to eject.
One problem was that I had a DaynaFile MS/DOS disk drive on the chain. I
think it took two ROM upgrades to the DaynaFile to get rid of that little
interaction (This disk is unreadable. Shall I format it for you?) and
maybe an upgrade or two to DOS Mounter.
There was still a problem that I solved by diddling the load order of the
various CD-ROM goodies. I kept the CD-ROM driver extension itself in the
Extensions folder. I put the Foreign File Access extension in the Control
Panels folder to load later. I put FFA's data files (Audio, High Sierra,
ISOwhatever) loose in the system folder to load last.
I haven't had a problem since. With my CD-ROM.
I still get the occasional "floppy from hell" that won't eject because it
has something on it that is "in use" with nothing on it that is in use.
Could some of y'all please address that one?
Al Bloom, Virginia Tech
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 00:17:10 PST
From: Kee Nethery <nethery@parc.xerox.com>
Subject: Clintonpz@aol.com
According to some mail I just got, the White House e-mail accounts are:
75300.3115@compuserve.com
clintonpz@aol.com
or if you are on AOL put a space between clinton and pz.
These addresses were published by the white house electronic publisher
person and he mentioned that they welcome comments, suggestions, etc. You
will not be clogging clinton's personal in-box. Rather you'll be sending a
message to his staff just like if you called, faxed or snailed.
Having the White House acquire and distribute it's e-mail addresses gives
me a very good feeling. Somehow I don't think Clinton is ever going to
embarass us by taking American automakers to Japan and complaining that the
Japanese don't buy enough of our cars regardless that we don't bother to
sell them cars with the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car.
Kee
Nethery@parc.xerox.com
------------------------------
Date: 5 Feb 1993 19:41:24 -0600
From: "Glockzin Donald" <Glockzin_Donald@macmail1.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com>
Subject: Cords With A Charge
"Daniel V. Blystone" at dblyston@weird.biol.trinity.edu writes:
*************************************************
This is a letter to anyone who thinks that a power cord will not hold a
charge. Try plugging one in and stick a paper clip in those holes. The
cord that is connected to a 115 line will conduct the power from the wall
to the end of the cord.
If you still don't think this is possible then get two wires and stick
them in to the holes in the wall and string them out about 50 feet or so
and touch the ends of the wires. YOW! what was that feeling that just
went through your body? POWER!!
[some deletion here about don't try this at home.]
****************************************************
(As an EE, I have to respond. Larges flames will be left to others. :-) )
The amount of charge that a power cord can hold is small due to its
capacitance
which is small. The cord is really long inductors that transfer the voltage
potential of the power outlet to the end of the power cord. The cord is not
really HOLDING a charge when it is connected to an outlet.
Also, voltage does not hurt or kill you. It is the current that does that.
Current flows from one potential to another. Power burns come from the current
going thru a part of your body and heating it up thus the burn.
I will keep this short and stop now since this is not the place. Plus Daniel
probably meant large humor here and was not trying to state a point...I hope.
THANKS -- DG
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 13:16:33 -0700
From: tonyh@lynx.msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Crippled 68LC040 machines
>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1993 21:04:01 EST
>From: bouldin@anvil.nrl.navy.mil
>Subject: Crippled 68LC040 machines
>
>Since the subject of crippled machines has come up again, here is my $0.02
>on the subject. First, I can hardly agree more with Alan Hewat, that:
>
>"this was a marketing decision, not based on engineering or manufacturing
>cost. Apple wants to continue to sell machines for $4-5K while extending
>their user base with cheaper machines, which they then have to cripple.
>When you have a monopoly you can get away with this....
>LC040 stands for Lowest Common denominator, not Low Cost."
>
>Indeed. The worst part of this is that apple and motorola have
>(shame, shame!) taken a page from Intel, who originated this concept of
>selling crippled version of their cpu's. Intel did it to undercut their
>clone competitors by selling a "486SX" for less than an AMD 386/387 and
>then having the nerve to contend that the "486SX" is BETTER! It isn't.
>These folks also brought you the DX2, wherein the CPU talks to the world at
>half it's internal clockrate. Apple copied that into the pathetic VX, with
>it's 16 mhz motherboard and 32 mhz 030. It is well documented that the VX
>is slower than the IIci, the best Mac that Apple ever discontinued.
>
>Let's be real clear that the use of the LC040 is to make models
>"distinguishable", not to lower costs!!! It just isn't a significant
>factor in the TOTAL price of the machine. These artificial distinctions are
>maintained by apple to keep the prices of the real 040 machines high.
>
>The worst part of it is that to change a 68LC040 into a real 68040, you
>have to replace the chip, not just add a coprocessor.
>
>OK, before the flames come in: Apple can certainly charge whatever they
>want to for the damn things. Just don't keep up the charade that there is
>some "technical" reason for all this nonsense, cause there ain't. BTW, it
>is true that a 50 mhz 030/882 benchmarks dead even with a Quadra 700 or
>900, and folks you *can* get those for reasonable prices from 3rd parties.
>
I agree with many of the sentiments expressed above. However, I do take
issue with the last statement that a 50MHz 030 with FPU benchmarks dead
even with a Quadra 700 or 900 (with a 25Mhz 040). The benchmark that
supposedly shows the a 50MHz 030 is roughly equivalent to a 25MHz 040 was
done by Macworld, published in their accelerator issue last year. The test
was highly flawed, however, since a number of applications they used for
the test did not support the 040 with its copy-back cache enabled. The same
can be said about the test in the most recent issue of BYTE magazine. It's
also true that some of the earlier 040 accelerators were not very well
designed and influenced these test results. The 040 (particularly with its
integrated FPU) is far superior chip. With its integrated cache and
copy-back caching scheme, it should significantly outperform the 030
(running compatible applications), especially for floating point
operations.
FYI, test results on a bunch of accelerators will be published in the
upcoming issue (April issue) of MacUser. Among the boards being tested are
those from DayStar and Logica (Mobius boards may also be tested).
Tony Huang
tonyh@msc.cornell.edu
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 17:37:12 -0500
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian Hughes)
Subject: Crippled 68LC040 machines
In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:
>Indeed. The worst part of this is that apple and motorola have
>(shame, shame!) taken a page from Intel, who originated this concept of
>selling crippled version of their cpu's. Intel did it to undercut their
>clone competitors by selling a "486SX" for less than an AMD 386/387 and
>then having the nerve to contend that the "486SX" is BETTER! It isn't.
What is your definition of crippled? Motorola didn't remove pieces
>From the '040 and sell it, they took the same engineering scheme and
used it to design a chip that didn't have the FPU hardware but was still
an '040 with all of the advantages that comes with that label. And if
you think that an '030 running at twice the speed of a comparable '040
or LC040 can compete you need to read some different benchmark reports.
>These folks also brought you the DX2, wherein the CPU talks to the world at
>half it's internal clockrate. Apple copied that into the pathetic VX, with
>it's 16 mhz motherboard and 32 mhz 030. It is well documented that the VX
>is slower than the IIci, the best Mac that Apple ever discontinued.
First of all, this is not how they arrived ar the IIvx. What they
did was take the logic board of the IIvi and upgrade the CPU and the FPU
to twice the speed of those in the IIvi. They did not internally double
the clock-rate of the chip. And I really with you would mention where
you get your benchmark information from because the IIci and the IIvx
run at basically the same overall speed. There are a few differences
depending on which benchmark utility you use but they are still running
at the same general speed. In fact the IIvx is faster than the IIci for
all processor and fpu intensive tasks.
>Let's be real clear that the use of the LC040 is to make models
>"distinguishable", not to lower costs!!! It just isn't a significant
>factor in the TOTAL price of the machine. These artificial distinctions are
>maintained by apple to keep the prices of the real 040 machines high.
It isna't a significant factor in total price? Have you seen the
prices of those accelerator cards that use the LC040 vs. those that
don't? There is a pretty significant price difference there, so why
shouldn't there be a significant price difference in those machines that
Apple sells with LC040s vs. those sold with full '040s.
>The worst part of it is that to change a 68LC040 into a real 68040, you
>have to replace the chip, not just add a coprocessor.
That's because the LC040 is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT CHIP than the normal
'040. It even has a smaller die size and lower heat output.
>OK, before the flames come in: Apple can certainly charge whatever they
>want to for the damn things. Just don't keep up the charade that there is
>some "technical" reason for all this nonsense, cause there ain't.
No one said there was a technical reason for Apple to charge lower
prices. There are, however, economic reasons why Apple CAN charge lower
prices for those machines with LC040s vs. those with full '040s. It is
called cost of production or input costs. They are lower on the LC00 and
thus lower on those machines that use it.
>BTW, it is true that a 50 mhz 030/882 benchmarks dead even with a Quadra
>700 or 900, and folks you *can* get those for reasonable prices from 3rd
>parties.
Where are you getting this stuff from? I highly recommend switching
sources because you are getting faulty information. I suppose that if
you use a large enough on-board cache that you could get comparable
numbers between a 50Mhz '030/882 and a 25Mhz '040 but there is no way
that any Macs that aren't Quadras run faster than Quadras unless they
are using '040 accelerators. And even then a 25Mhz '040 accelerator in a
IIci will not give you better than Quadra 700 performance.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 15:16:59 EST
From: Shaw Bernard Wu <swu@sales.stern.nyu.edu>
Subject: Crippled 68LC040 machines (c)
On Thu, 04 Feb 1993 21:04:01 EST, bouldin@anvil.nrl.navy.mil states:
>Indeed. The worst part of this is that apple and motorola have
>(shame, shame!) taken a page from Intel, who originated this concept of
>selling crippled version of their cpu's. Intel did it to undercut their
>clone competitors by selling a "486SX" for less than an AMD 386/387 and
>then having the nerve to contend that the "486SX" is BETTER! It isn't.
>These folks also brought you the DX2, wherein the CPU talks to the world at
>half it's internal clockrate. Apple copied that into the pathetic VX, with
>it's 16 mhz motherboard and 32 mhz 030. It is well documented that the VX
>is slower than the IIci, the best Mac that Apple ever discontinued.
>
>Let's be real clear that the use of the LC040 is to make models
>"distinguishable", not to lower costs!!! It just isn't a significant
>factor in the TOTAL price of the machine. These artificial distinctions are
>maintained by apple to keep the prices of the real 040 machines high.
>
>The worst part of it is that to change a 68LC040 into a real 68040, you
>have to replace the chip, not just add a coprocessor.
>
>OK, before the flames come in: Apple can certainly charge whatever they
>want to for the damn things. Just don't keep up the charade that there is
>some "technical" reason for all this nonsense, cause there ain't. BTW, it
>is true that a 50 mhz 030/882 benchmarks dead even with a Quadra 700 or
>900, and folks you *can* get those for reasonable prices from 3rd parties.
Hey...at least they're not putting in ELC 040's......:-) No FPU, and
no MMU...
(oops, I just gave some engineers some ideas...(not that some vendors have
done this already...)
___
Shaw Wu, NYU Stern School. <swu@exchange.stern.nyu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1993 16:28:01 -0500
From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Subject: Diskdoubler and 7.1 conflict?? (A)
"A.L. SMIT" <A.L.SMIT@CABO.AGRO.NL> writes:
> Diskdoubler does not work anymore on my Classic, after selecting
> a file all options are dimmed except About... and Settings....
> The strange thing is that some files can be expanded or compressed
> e.g. aliases on the desktop and some other files. Most files
> however not. I assume it has something to do with my recent
> upgrade to System 7.1 but am not sure about this. I reinstalled
> AD(v 2.0i) and DD (3.7) with no success, ...
AutoDoubler 2.0 requires DiskDoubler 3.7.7. DD 3.7.0 came out in May
of 1991, and is rather out of date. I'd look in the sumex archives
for updaters to bring you up to 3.7.7. Also, FGS sent me a copy of
3.7.7 for free when I upgraded to 2.0 (although they might not do this
for .nl addresses).
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 20:57:01 GMT
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Es tut mir leide!
Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:
>As Fred Swartz mentioned in a private note, although adding an e works for
>umlautted German characters, it "screws up every other language
>that uses the umlaut/diaresis/trema." So maybe I was right after all.
Looks like there's to be different "827" tools.
I'll have the "827 German", please! (yummy) :-)
Sven :)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 22:22 MET
From: "E Hoenkamp, NICI" <EDH@KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL>
Subject: HP DW grey-scale Thanks! (c)
Thank you Ray DiBugnara for putting your HP grey scale driver on the net.
Edward.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 02:19:29 GMT
From: astein@nysernet.ORG (Alan Stein)
Subject: Insight Accounting
I help out an organization that has used Insight, previously put out
by Layered but now owned by Peachtree, to do its accounting. With
changes in staff, the new bookkeeper tried to get some help from our
accountants, who advised her that it was getting difficult to get
support for Insight anymore and they were advising their clients to
switch to other accounting packages.
Personally, I'm not too enamored of that accounting firm, and don't
really trust what they advise. (The main person they have helping
this organization is a former student of mine who never impressed me
very much then.)
Has anyone had any recent experience with Insight? This was the full
fledged system, not AtOnce.
--
Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
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Date: 5 Feb 1993 19:54:27 -0600
From: "Glockzin Donald" <Glockzin_Donald@macmail1.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com>
Subject: Is LC040 a Failed 040?
The issue of the LC040 and the regular 040 is getting a lot of talk. I would
like to point something else out which may or may not be a factor.
In producing these chips, the failures and yield rates have a large factor on
the selling price of the chip. Being able to sell a failed chip as a lower
version of itself can be very beneficial. If the FPU section of the reqular
040
has a high failure rate and its function can be removed when it fails and the
chip can still be sold, then the failure only hurts the manufacturer by the
price delta.
If [I say if] this is the case, then don't blame the manufacturer for trying
to
sell something that he would have to otherwise throw out.
THANKS -- DG
------------------------------
Date: Friday, 5 Feb 1993 23:14:02 EST
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Jasmine DirectDrive 45 (A)
To answer the question about the Jasmine Drive, I am using the Jasmine
Direct Drive 45 on System 7.0 with a Mac IIci. It has run nearly
flawlessly for over five years. (I'd better type that quietly--it
might hear what I said!).
Just before Jasmine went belly up (in their dying gasp, as a matter of
fact) they released a System 7.0 compatible version of their driver.
I don't use it. Instead I purchased Silverlining which handles the
Jasmine drive quite well thank you (and my internal Apple/Quantum as
well). Rather than risking using an unsupported driver, I'd recommend
going with something like Silverlining.
Jeff Fritz, jfritz@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
West Virginia University
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 00:16:52 PST
From: Kee Nethery <nethery@parc.xerox.com>
Subject: Jasmine Drives (A)
>I had to send my DD20 back to Jasmine twice, and they finally just
>swapped me for a new one, so I wouldn't trust one that had been
>through their repair facility. I don't know of anyone who will
>repair them, anymore.
There is a company that will repair them if possible.
Drive Savers
30-D Pamaron Way
Novato, CA 94949
415-883-4232
415-883-0780 fax
They charged me $50 to blow out one of their spare controller cards
(attempting to repair mine) and learning that the drive motor was really
unsalvageable. If it had just been the card it could have been repaired but
... Anyway they shipped it back to me and I am saving the case for the next
internal drive I need to put in a case.
Even though my Jasmine was beyond repair, they seemed to know what they
were doing.
Just a customer,
Kee
Nethery@parc.xerox.com
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Date: 5 Feb 1993 18:37:00 -0800
From: "drew" <objy!drew@Sun.COM>
Subject: jasmine reformatting- silv
Subject: Time: 6:30 PM
OFFICE MEMO jasmine reformatting: silver lining Date: 2/5/93
some have posted about problems with jasmine drives because their software
(driveware) is too old to work with sys7. i've successfully used silver
lining
disk software with jasmines. works just fine: reformat it, install the
driver, and go. it's from:
La Cie, Ltd. (purchased by quantum, i believe)
19552 S. W. 90th Court
Tualatin, OR 97062
(503) 691-0771
(800) 288-9919
(503) 691-5590 fax
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 18:25 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Mac II misformats floppies (so obvious when you know why)
My thanks to the few people who wrote to me, in particular one (sorry, I've
lost your message) who suggested that it might simply be due to trying to
use HD disks in the old floppy drive. That was exactly it! The guy who
had the problem disks was a Mac novice and had been doing just that, plus
his HD disks were the pale gray color I normally associate with DD disks.
Must remember to look for the extra hole next time...
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 14:01:30 -0500 (EST)
From: SAKIMURA@sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Mathimatica [12 x 12]~(-1)
>From: "Tom Wilson" <wilsont@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov> (Tom Wilson)
>Subject: Mathimatica [12 x 12]~(-1)
>I have a friend who is trying to invert a 12 x 12 matrix using the symbolic
>algebra of Mathematica. His last few attempts ran for days and the system
>usually hung up or crashed before he got an answer.
I haven't got mathematica, but a similar symbolic math package, Maple V
(Student version = CA$99 :-). I tried to calculate an inverse of 12x12
matrix, and the results are as follows:
(1) inverse of 12x12 random floating point matrix:
40 sec. including the time for displaying the matrix.
(2) inverse of 12x12 random exact-number matrix:
60 sec. including the time for displaying the matrix.
Symbolic math package is generally slower than numerical math package in
calculation because they do if "Symbolically" to get an "EXACT" result.
But it will not take "days" to calculate an inverse of 12x12 "Numeric"
matrix as I stated above.
The reason why it is taking "days" for your friend is probably he is
trying to calculate the inverse of "12x12 Symbolic Matrix." Essentially,
it is equivalent to calculate the formula for the inversion of 12x12
matrix. It is not hard to imagine that it will take days to calculate.
So unless your friend wants to get such an formula, tell him not to try
to calculate an inverse of the symbolic matrix. (Usual matrix in a
symbolic math package is a symbolic matrix.) First, convert the original
matrix to (preferably floating) numeric matrix. Then calculatethe
inverse of it. It shouldn't take too much time. In the language of Maple
V, if the original matrix is A, it is going to be like:
B := 1.0 * evalm(A);
C := inverse(A);
where evalm() is the function to convert the matrix to a numeric one,
and multiplying by 1.0 is converting the result to floating point
(otherwise, it is going to be an exact fraction representation).
Hope this helps.
BTW, if your friend is doing the numerical job, it's much better to work
with a numerical package like GAUSS, matlab, S-plus, etc.
Natsu Sakimura | sakimura@sscl.uwo.ca +-----+
University of Western Ontario | Compu$erve: 101006,776 | o/ |
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 22:12:07 EST
From: amoran@aol.com
Subject: Matrix inversion in Mathematica
>>I have a friend who is trying to invert a 12 x 12 matrix using the symbolic
>>algebra of Mathematica. His last few attempts ran for days and the system
>>usually hung up or crashed before he got an answer.
>I have no experience with Mathematica; perhaps your code was less than
>optimal. But using MathWorks "MATLAB" (a WONDERFUL program for any
>matrix manipulation) & an FX, I generated 10,000 12 X 12 random matrices
>and found the average time to invert same was .026 second per matrix.
>
I use both Matlab and MathCAD and they are both very fast at inverting
matrices <<numerically>>, but Mathematica (and its competitor Maple V)
inverts matrices <<symbolically>> and tries to simplify the expressions, a
procedure that could take hours on even a IIci.
FWIW, MathCAD announced 3.1 at MacWorld and it has licensed some symbolic
capabilities from Maple V. At $79, it's a great deal.
Since the matrix inverse is quite straightforward : inv(M) = adj(M)/det(M),
the matrix may be ill-conditioned or the terms may be too complex for
simplification.
>Bill Sawrey
>Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, CA
>7506p@vm1.cc.nps.navy.mil
Alex Moran
Quantum Mechanic - no appointment necessary
amoran@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: 06 Feb 1993 19:44:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "David C. Garrett" <SSA92FAJ12@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject: Missing PICT scan
Howdy, all.
My boss (who is running 6.0.7 on an SE) bought an Apple OneScanner recently.
I
started up Ofoto (which was bundled with the scanner), scanned a logo and
saved
it in PICT format. Then I placed it into a Student PageMaker 4.0 document.
No
problem. But when I took the disk to another computer, also running 6.0.7,
and
opened the PageMaker doc, the graphic I had placed was gone. I could click
where it was supposed to be and get the handles, but couldn't see the
graphic.
Links reported everything was fine.
My solution: I installed the Scanner init that came with the Scanner on the
other computer. This worked fine, but every time I want to use a computer
with
scanned images, I have to install the Scanner init and restart (we got lots o'
computers here - I never know which one will be free).
The twist: I just installed 6.0.8 on a few of the machines and discovered that
I no longer need the Scanner init - I can play with my scans without it, no
problem.
My question: What does the Scanner init do that 6.0.8 also does but that 6.0.7
doesn't? Is there some new kind of PICT that older systems don't know about?
Thanks in advance,
Dave ssa92faj12@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu
PS please respond directly to me (I'm about 6 issues behind in reading the
digest) and I'll summarize if anyone expresses interest.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 19:31:42 est
From: "Green Bean Dean (Spice, Reid)" <SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU>
Subject: Music software
I just got a MIDI interface for my MIDI keyboard and I was wondering if there
is an FTP site around which has decent Mac software that uses MIDI.
Shareware or Freeware, whatever. If there's anything good in the Sumex
archives, please tell me because I can't seem to find much... thanks. Please
send responses to me and I'll summarize for the list if the interest is
there.
Thanks,
Reid Spice
SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1993 21:12:51 EST
From: "Paul D. Bain" <pdbain@ufcc.ufl.edu>
Subject: Now Menus & BeHierarchic (to Marc and others)
Marc,
In your recent posting, you said that you were having difficulties with Now
Menus. You linked your difficulties to the fact that you used BeHierarchic
previously. I, too, used BeHierarchic and I know that it does something to
your system file. I would strongly encourage you to reinstall your system
files. This should eliminate the changes that BeHierarchic may have made to
these files. Now Menus should then work without any difficulty.
Sincerely,
Paul D. Bain
Gainesville, Florida
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 93 10:05:10 EST
From: Jon Butler <JBUTLER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: Price for used original Classic
Would anyone with access to prices of used equipment know the going price for
an original Classic upgraded to 4mb ram? We want to sell one in our office
and buy the new color classic coming out this week but don't know what to
charge for the old one. Many thanks. JBUTLER@YALEVM
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 23:45:35 -0600
From: charles@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
Subject: retrieval-lite and asychronous sound wanted
Info-mac used to have retrieval-lite, a stripped down commercial spreadsheet
program (a DA, I think); and asychronous sound, a cp that can play sound
while letting you do other things.
Does anyone know where I can find those? Archie didn't find it.
Charles C. Hsieh
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 21:31:59 -0600
From: Arvid Burns <aburns@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject: Scanner Opinion
>Has anyone out there in the ether been in the market for a color
>scanner recently? My wife's office is looking for one and right
>now they're comparing the UMAX UC1200s UltraVision (What a
>name!) with the various Microtek and Afga Color Scanners.
>Any advice/opinions/recommendations will be appreciated.
I own a Microtek Scanmaker 600ZS and I do not recommend it.
I have found that it produces extreme amounts of noise in the
shadows. This one trait essentially disables any sharpening
you would wish to do because it accents the noise when you
do. (I have seen trouble with a Microtek used where I work
also) I recently bought a new Apple color scanner and its
quality seems pretty good. Too new to accurately judge though.
MacWeek's picks are 1) HP Scanjet II or 2) the $4,000 AGFA if
you can afford it.
By the way, does anyone know of a Photoshop plug-in for the
apple color scanner besides the ScanTastic ps.?
Hope it helps
AB
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1993 21:14:55 EST
From: "Paul D. Bain" <pdbain@ufcc.ufl.edu>
Subject: sending files in mail on vmx (Q)
Does anyone know how to send a file with e-mail on a vms system? I need to
send both the e-mail and the file at the same time, not separately.
Thanks,
Paul D. Bain
Gainesville, Florida
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 21:20:18 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM%VTVM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Slide Scanning, Cheap (A)
On Fri, 05 Feb, Stan Diamond replied to Tom Scott's request for a cheap
and not terrific slide scanner by suggesting a Fotovix unit.
Nah! As I said to Tom, if you want cheap and are not all that particular
about quality, take advantage of one of Goodwife Bloom's experiments with
our LaCie SilverScanner. She cut a slide-size hole in a bit of cardboard,
stuck a slide in it, backlit it by putting her desk lamp above it, and
just scanned. After trying several lamp heights, she got a pretty good
scanned image from the slide. Is that cheap or what?
Al Bloom, Virginia Tech
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 19:47 EDT
From: "I'm what you call your basic famous..."
<PRESCO74%snypotva.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: StyleWriter II & Portable
I, too, am rather disappointed with Apple's cutomer service personnel. They
are no help whatsoever. But I did not write to criticize Apple. Well, in a
roundabout way, I guess I did.
I have a Mac Portable 4/40 backlit, 7.0.1/1.1.1. I can't print grayscale with
the StyleWriter II and nobody seems to know why. Not my dealer, not Apple,
NOBODY! It is really starting to piss me off. If I am NOT capable of
utilizing this feature, I just wish someone would give me peace of mind by
TELLING me so and WHY. But Apple's response is "Nothing in our literature
says
that you shouldn't be able to, therefore you should." Pretty bogus.
So I appeal to people of reasonable knowledge and intelligence, noted for such
attributes and not your ability to answer the phone: Can you help me? I have
tried re-installing System software and running with no non-Apple software in
the system folder with no luck. I know the driver is good because I copied to
a friend's LCII and it worked fine. What is the deal? Apple maintains that
it
will work with any Mac running 6.0.7 or higher. Right.
...ROMeyn Prescott
PRESCO74@SNYPOTVA.BITNET
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 03:01:43 PST
From: eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: TeachText Editor
The QuickTime 1.5 disk includes TeachText 7.1.2, which is more
recent than the version distributed with 7.0/7.0.1/7.1. If you
use CD-ROM 4.0.2 to install QuickTime 1.5, the newer TeachText
will be copied as well. If you use only the QT disk you need to
replace your existing TeachText manually.
ftp.apple.com:~ftp/dts/mac/quicktime/quicktime-1-5-image.hqx
-=EPS=-
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 20:21:26 -0600
From: "Paul M. Sheldon" <lzcb@utdallas.edu>
Subject: Why not just buy it rather than write a thesis.
Its a dark rainy day in Dallas, Texas. I had been getting all excited
taking a cd interactive course on object oriented programming straight from
APDA, although not from Pink. I would learn how to do general scientific
programming by building generalized class libraries that the common man could
afford. I would start something for two scientists in a garage, like the Woz
and his buddy (what's his name?).
My problem was to solve the general 1st order system of differential
equations (with the derivatives lined nicely on the left as functions of the
undifferentiated).
Low and behold, Wolfram Research, that giant corporation with their own
electronic digest has it all and more in NDSolve. You just write the system
of equations and initial conditions and ranges in its arguments. Problem
done.
Right now, I am feeling guilty. I hear the corporate incantation, "Paul,
must you reinvent the wheel!? Why don't you go out and buy it, this
Mathematica
>From Wolfram Research, and forget about programming--use their canned
routines"
Why don't I? I don't know yet. I can't defend myself against such
arguments now. All I know is that if I take that attitude, I will be out of
a whole lot of bucks and won't get my Ph.D., I'll just wind up not inventing
anything and might be ought a whole lot more of bucks by always buying and
never earning. A whole lot of scientists use mathematica. The interface is
grotesque and non-wysiwyg like theorist. Ugly code in beautiful graphics out
perhaps after a long time (cost of something with a book telling you how it
does everything). I love theorist and expressionist, I've beta tested it for
years. It's a chance for the little guy who wants to do something obscure like
gravitational research without alot of grant money to throw around. Its a
chance to send formulas in tex through e mail.
The message of object oriented programming is for vertical market
software made by a few good men not a corporation. One man against
Wolfram manhours. It terrifies me.
As the course in making cartoons ends, I worry whether I will have the
courage to make a scientific class library. I hope someone out there
will give me confidence rather than a mere smart remark. I don't want to
simply buy things, I wanna get that Ph.D. and make money.
Need words of inspiration. Help me internet.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 10:28 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL@SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK>
Subject: Why you need an FPU
Let me peg a few FAQ's of my own to Mark Heard's comments. My problem has
always been with trying to figure out just when the FPU is stepping in.
When I bought my LC, I immediately bought an FPU for it on the advice of
my dealer who said that it would give a general speed boost in all kinds
of unexpected areas. I'm still not sure if he was right, but I've observed,
more than once, that my LC feels noticably faster than an LCII without FPU
when I'm navigating around in the Finder. This is of course an entirely
subjective feeling, and my reaction has been brushed aside by several people
who insist that the FPU should make very little difference in the speed of
the OS. Nevertheless, I've begun to wonder how many of the frequently-used
toolbox routines, including QuickDraw ones, actually use SANE calls.
Another possible example of this kind of on-the-sly FPU kick occurred to
me when I reviewed Intellidraw for Tidbits. I've had people write to me to
say that Intellidraw is in no way fast on an LC, yet it has always performed
more than adequately on mine!
PS: While we're on the subject of making your Mac more nimble, can anyone
explain just why scrolling in System 7 is so phenomenally slow? Just about
everyone I know who's upgraded from System 6 has noticed this. Is there
any way to change the scrolling speed? There are INITs which will slow it
down, but not speed it up!
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